Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA

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Sujet : Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA
De : mikko.levanto (at) *nospam* iki.fi (Mikko)
Groupes : sci.logic sci.math sci.math.symbolic comp.theory comp.ai.philosophy
Suivi-à : sci.logic
Date : 24. Apr 2026, 07:33:01
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On 23/04/2026 16:49, olcott wrote:
On 4/23/2026 2:06 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 22/04/2026 16:17, olcott wrote:
On 4/22/2026 3:19 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 22/04/2026 10:48, olcott wrote:
On 4/22/2026 2:19 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 21/04/2026 16:33, olcott wrote:
On 4/21/2026 1:41 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 20/04/2026 19:57, olcott wrote:
Proof-theoretic semantics is inherently inferential, as
it is inferential activity which manifests itself in proofs.
...inferences and the rules of inference establish the
meaning of expressions.
Schroeder-Heister, Peter, 2024 "Proof-Theoretic Semantics"
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/proof-theoretic-semantics/ #InfeIntuAntiReal
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Provable(PA, φ) := ∃Γ ⊂ PA(Γ ⊣ φ)
There exists a finite set Γ of inference steps of PA such that φ
is back-chained to PA can ALWAYS be resolved in directly in SOL.
Has_Meaning_PTS(PA, φ) := Provable(PA, φ)
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The interesting question is not what proof-theoretic semantics is but
whether it is for any purpose more useful than alternatives.
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It utterly eliminates the result of undecidability.
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Often the undesidability itself is more useful than any result of it.
For example, if a sentence is known to be undecidable then it can be
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Such as "What time is it (yes or no)?"
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A question is neither true nor false and there is no way to prove
a question. But usually "undecidability" refers to affirmative
sentences only, as they only are in the scope of logic.
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This sentence is not true. // It is semantically incoherent
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Can you think any reason why typical formal languages have no symbol
analogous to "this" in that sentence ?
 To keep reasoning about these things
so convoluted that they can never be
resolved?
Wrong. The purpose is to avoid complexity that is not necessary for
the purpose of the language.

I invented one that does
LP := ~True(LP)
And then you need to solve an uninteresting problem that does not
exist in usual formal languages.
--
Mikko

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