Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA

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Sujet : Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA
De : mikko.levanto (at) *nospam* iki.fi (Mikko)
Groupes : sci.logic sci.math sci.math.symbolic comp.theory comp.ai.philosophy
Suivi-à : sci.logic
Date : 24. Apr 2026, 07:33:01
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On 23/04/2026 16:49, olcott wrote:
On 4/23/2026 2:06 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 22/04/2026 16:17, olcott wrote:
On 4/22/2026 3:19 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 22/04/2026 10:48, olcott wrote:
On 4/22/2026 2:19 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 21/04/2026 16:33, olcott wrote:
On 4/21/2026 1:41 AM, Mikko wrote:
On 20/04/2026 19:57, olcott wrote:
Proof-theoretic semantics is inherently inferential, as
it is inferential activity which manifests itself in proofs.
...inferences and the rules of inference establish the
meaning of expressions.
Schroeder-Heister, Peter, 2024 "Proof-Theoretic Semantics"
https://plato.stanford.edu/entries/proof-theoretic-semantics/ #InfeIntuAntiReal
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Provable(PA, φ) := ∃Γ ⊂ PA(Γ ⊣ φ)
There exists a finite set Γ of inference steps of PA such that φ
is back-chained to PA can ALWAYS be resolved in directly in SOL.
Has_Meaning_PTS(PA, φ) := Provable(PA, φ)
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The interesting question is not what proof-theoretic semantics is but
whether it is for any purpose more useful than alternatives.
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It utterly eliminates the result of undecidability.
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Often the undesidability itself is more useful than any result of it.
For example, if a sentence is known to be undecidable then it can be
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Such as "What time is it (yes or no)?"
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A question is neither true nor false and there is no way to prove
a question. But usually "undecidability" refers to affirmative
sentences only, as they only are in the scope of logic.
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This sentence is not true. // It is semantically incoherent
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Can you think any reason why typical formal languages have no symbol
analogous to "this" in that sentence ?
 To keep reasoning about these things
so convoluted that they can never be
resolved?
Wrong. The purpose is to avoid complexity that is not necessary for
the purpose of the language.

I invented one that does
LP := ~True(LP)
And then you need to solve an uninteresting problem that does not
exist in usual formal languages.
--
Mikko

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20 Apr 26 * Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA41olcott
21 Apr 26 +* Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA16Mikko
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22 Apr 26 i   +* Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA5Mikko
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23 Apr 26 i   i `* Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA3Mikko
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24 Apr 26 i   i   `- Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA1Mikko
23 Apr 26 i   `* Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA7André G. Isaak
23 Apr 26 i    +* Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA4olcott
24 Apr 26 i    i`* Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA3André G. Isaak
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25 Apr05:14 i    i  `- Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA1Chris M. Thomasson
23 Apr 26 i    `* Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA2Ross Finlayson
23 Apr 26 i     `- Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA1Ross Finlayson
26 Apr21:54 `* Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA24olcott
27 Apr10:30  `* Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA23Mikko
27 Apr15:53   `* Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA22olcott
27 Apr21:10    +- Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA1olcott
27 Apr22:03    +* Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA17Alan Mackenzie
27 Apr23:22    i+* Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA4olcott
28 Apr09:10    ii`* Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA3Mikko
28 Apr13:30    ii `* Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA2olcott
29 Apr08:11    ii  `- Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA1Mikko
27 Apr23:35    i+- Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA1Ross Finlayson
28 Apr11:22    i+* Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA4Alan Mackenzie
28 Apr12:14    ii`* Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA3olcott
28 Apr13:04    ii `* Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA2Alan Mackenzie
28 Apr13:14    ii  `- Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA1olcott
28 Apr11:35    i+- Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA1Alan Mackenzie
29 Apr07:37    i`* Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA6Mikko
30 Apr08:55    i `* Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA5Mikko
1 May20:35    i  `* Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA4olcott
1 May20:54    i   `* Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA3Ross Finlayson
1 May21:36    i    +- Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA1olcott
1 May21:41    i    `- Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA1olcott
1 May20:17    `* Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA3Julio Di Egidio
1 May20:34     +- Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA1Ross Finlayson
1 May20:38     `- Re: Within Proof Theoretic Semantics Gödel's G has no meaning in PA1olcott

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